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Arguments Against Veganism, pt. 7

Wednesday, January 20th, 2010

Read parts 1-6 here.

Can you imagine the world in twenty years if everyone were a vegan?  These poor people are so weak, they can hardly walk. Imagine a 90 lb. Marine trying to defend our country. He couldn’t even carry the gear he needs. Imagine a Iron worker, a connector, who tool pouch weighs more then him…the bottom line is a vegan is not as strong physicaly or mentally as a meat eater.

I’m fairly sure that this guy actually hasn’t met any vegans.  We certainly aren’t any weaker than the general population, and we’re generally in better health.  As far as whether we’re weak, well…

Bodybuilder Robert Cheeke

“In 2002 Robert started Vegan Bodybuilding & Fitness, a company dedicated to promoting the vegan fitness lifestyle, empowering vegan athletes, and living by the words, ‘healthy food defines you.’”  (RobertCheeke.com)

UFC fighter, Mac Danzig

“…the 27 year old Danzig has carved his own path and along the way shattered stereotypical images. The lightweight fighter’s success evidences a fighter can be successful without the consumption of animal products.”  (The MMA Digest)

Dr. Ruth Heidrich

At over 70, Dr. Ruth Heidrich has been a vegan for over 25 years.  She is “a six-time Ironman Triathlon finisher, holder of more than 900 gold medals from every distance from 100 meter dashes to 5K road races to ultra marathons and triathlons.  She has completed more than 60 marathons all over the world…”  Read more here.

Vancouver's own Brendan Brazier

“He’s a professional Ironman triathlete, bestselling author on performance nutrition, and the creator of an award-winning line of whole food nutritional products called VEGA.” (BrendanBrazier.com)

Bodybuilder Kailla Edger

She claims to have “taught and/or taken up pilates, yoga, karate, mountain biking, swimming, water aerobics, step aerobics, kickboxing, bodybuilding, boot camp exercises, jogging…and that’s just the few I can remember right now.”  (VeganBodybuilding.com)

I didn’t stop because I ran out of vegan athletes.  I stopped because unlike them, I’m really lazy.

Note also that the Dieticians of Canada and the American Dietetic Association agree that:

…appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life-cycle including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood and adolescence and for athletes.

A few more links:

VeganBodybuilding.org

VeganPersonalTraining.com

VeganFitnessTeam.com

Arguments Against Veganism, pt. 6

Tuesday, January 5th, 2010

Parts 1-4 here.

Argument: I keep hearing people argue that some of the more omnivorous among us would flagrantly protest animal cruelty, but that we’re very fond of tearing off huge, tasty pieces of our living cows while they scream for mercy. And I am very much against animal cruelty. I love animals. But guess what? There’s a gigantic difference between shooting your neighbor’s cat and eating pork. Smacking your dog isn’t the same as killing a chicken for the purposes of eating it.

Response: Uh yeah, in one case, you’re abusing the animal yourself. In the other, you’re paying someone else to abuse the animal for you. Oh, and the animals you want to defend are pets, while the ones you want to eat are what are commonly known as “food”. What kind of stupid idiot wrote this thing, anyway?

Oh right. That would be me. Like, eight years ago.

I think it’s pretty common knowledge that often, the angrier and more defensive a person gets when presented with the concepts of veganism, the guiltier they feel about it.

At the time I wrote that absurd diatribe, I had long since stopped eating fish and pork because I was particularly fond of those types of animals and couldn’t justify killing and eating them.  I didn’t even wear leather, because I felt it was wrong to wear fur, and the two seemed too similar.  Since childhood I’d considered myself a major animal lover.  As a little kid I’d run lemonade stands in an attempt to raise money for the local animal shelter.  Some of my best friends were the neighbourhood cats.  I’d seriously considered a career in veterinary medicine.

Whenever presented with the idea of giving up cows and chicken and turkey, though, (I hadn’t even heard about how cruel the dairy and egg industries are) I would feel vaguely uncomfortable and try to think about something else.  So what in the world inspired me to get so irrationally angry?  I’d found a website that discussed BSE and in an abrasive way suggested that it was the fault of people who were “cruel” enough to eat cows.   I don’t remember a lot of the details, but I do know that I felt defensive and infuriated because I knew I loved animals.  How dare these people suggest that I was cruel to them?

And what brought me around to veganism only a year or so later?  A few volunteers at my university who had a table of literature and stickers, who listened patiently when I told them I didn’t think I could really go vegan, or even vegetarian, because of my food allergies (wheat, soy, and nuts, for anybody having similar concerns), and who cheerfully answered my questions about why people go vegan in the first place.  Hell, I wasn’t even sure I wanted to stop eating animals.  I wasn’t convinced that it was necessary–couldn’t I just eat free-range meat?–and besides, fried chicken was one of my absolute favourite foods, and had been for years.   As of this May, I’ll have been vegan for 6 years.

Think of it this way–every single person you talk is a potential vegan, a potential animal activist. Treat them that way. Be kind. Respectful. Try to remember how veganism was explained to you–what made it seem reasonable and realistic?–and answer their questions accordingly, and politely.

Just don’t wear yourself out.

duty_calls(from xkcd.com)

One million calories.

Wednesday, October 21st, 2009

This super interesting new interactive chart from Animal Visuals shows how many animals die for one million calories’ worth of chicken, eggs, beef, veggies, grains, etc.  You can sort it by total, by how many are slaughtered (intentionally, I assume?), and by the harvesting of fields, either to feed us or to feed animals.

Isn’t it fascinating that you can help more animals by dropping chicken and eggs than you can by dropping chicken, beef, and pork combined?

This also brings up the age old and ever compelling (yawn) argument against veganism–that we’re hurting animals accidentally when we harvest our fields, so why bother to curtail  intentional slaughter at all?  I covered this in Arguments Against Veganism, part 3, but this chart says more than I ever could have.

Arguments Against Veganism, pt. 5

Monday, August 3rd, 2009

Argument: “All this Veganism stuff can only be adhered to by very wealthy people in a society that is very advanced.”

Response: Fortunately, this is nowhere near true.  Unless you are buying a lot of pre-processed fake meats and cheeses–which are pricey, but shouldn’t be a large part of a healthy diet anyway–veganism is actually quite a bit cheaper than the alternative:

Most of the staples of a vegetarian diet are cheap. In fact, most of the world’s people eat a mostly vegetarian diet made up of inexpensive commodities such as beans, rice and corn.If you drop red meat, poultry and fish from your diet, you’ll find plant proteins cheaper than the equivalent amount of animal protein. (Go Vegetarian to Save Money)

Check out the rest of the article from MSN: Go Vegetarian to Save Money, and this one, Recession Flexitarians, which discusses the fact that the current economy is forcing more people to reduce their consumption of meat and dairy.

Arguments Against Veganism, part 4

Wednesday, July 8th, 2009

Another short one.  I promise the next will be longer!

Check out parts 1-3 here.

Argument: “LOL my cousin is a REAL vegan but she creeps me out so…one quick fact…CELLS make up living things…they breath oxygen…they eat food…and they feel anythig that is afflicted on them…so when you REALLY think about it…plants live to, and feel pain…SO WHEN YOU NEXT PICK UP A CARROT AND EAT IT JUST THINK …Your killing a live THING….”

Resources: Anyone who says something like this probably isn’t actually making a real argument–they’re just trying to annoy you. But if you feel like it, remind him or her that plants don’t have a central nervous system, something which is necessary when it comes to sensing pain. But if by some alternate method plants do feel pain, a vegan diet still kills far fewer plants than one with animal products.

Arguments Against Veganism, part 3

Wednesday, July 1st, 2009

Check out parts 1 and 2 here.

Argument: “Bunnies and mice are accidentally slaughtered by the billions each year during mechanized harvesting of wheat and vegetables. Animals are dying either way. Eat what you like and don’t feel guilty about it.”

Response: If I’m driving my car and a squirrel jumps into the road, should I steer towards it?  After all, I’m probably going to accidentally kill at a couple of animals in a lifetime of driving–does that mean I shouldn’t try to reduce the amount of harm I do?

And anyway, as I said in the first response, a vegan diet actually requires fewer plants–and therefore results in fewer dead “bunnies and mice” than a meat-eating one anyway!

Arguments Against Veganism, Part 2

Friday, June 26th, 2009

She sure is enjoying herself

She sure is enjoying herself

This one is kind of a two-fer, since they’re related arguments.  Check out part one here.

Argument: “Animals would be worse off if all people were vegetarians. Think about it. Would a farmer keep Chickens and Cows and Pigs around and pay for them for free. Hell no if they would be free. At which point they would be overpopulated and all over the place.”

Response: The cows, chickens, turkeys, etc, that we eat are not coming into the world naturally; in fact, some of them will never see an animal of the opposite gender in their entire lives. This is basically a simple case of supply-and-demand. If we stop demanding meat, eggs, and dairy, they’ll stop breeding animals to supply us with them. (Learn more about the artificial insemination processes of turkey, chicken, and cows.)

This next person sort of understands some of the facts, and then misses the point completely.

Argument: “These animals are bred only to be killed.It’s harsh,but if we didn’t do that,cows and chickens and rabbits etc would be long extinct.”

Response: Um…rabbits?

Anyway, I’m not sure why the idea of extinction is such a issue when it comes to farm animals.  They do not exist–not as we’ve bred them, anyway–in nature and they do not fit in to any particular ecology; if they died out, the environment would be way better off for it.  Part of the tragedy of extinction when it comes to a wild animal is the effects thereof.   (A good example of this is the black-footed ferret, which has been endangered for years–and briefly “extinct in the wild”–because we keep killing off their primary prey, prairie dogs.)  There isn’t any kind of equivalent situation for farm animals, because there are no species (outside of humans) who rely on their existence.

Species as a whole do not suffer, but individuals do–and individual animals are suffering immensely right now.  I don’t think that anyone who really knows what goes on in the dairy and meat industry actually believing that farm animals are better off existing as they do!

Arguments Against Veganism, Part 1

Tuesday, June 23rd, 2009

If you are vegan or vegetarian, you’ve probably heard these arguments at least a few times–but more likely, you’ve been beaten over the head with them repeatedly to the point of insanity.  The best part about these oh-so-common arguments against veganism is that they are easily refutable.  Over the next few blog posts, I’ll be giving fun examples I collected from around the web.

Argument: “I don’t think there are enough resources on the earth if everybody decides to go vegetarian/vegan. so I am happy other people eat meat actually.”

Response: It’s more like the opposite:

  • “It takes 2 1/2 pounds of grains to create a pound of chicken,  6 1/2 pounds  to get a pound of pork, and 7 pounds to get a pound of beef. (Ephraim Liebtag, “Corn Prices Near Record High, but What About Food Costs?”, February 2008)
  • Beef uses up 16 times more fossil fuel energy and generates 24 times the Carbon Dioxide than an calorically-equivalent meal of rice and veggies.  (Gidon Eshel, Bard College, Pamela A. Martin, Univ. of Chicago)

And so actually, we’d be using far less resources (and saving the environment) if more people were to go vegan.

vegenvironment

Stay tuned for part 2!